Indigeneity for a group of people is always going to be intimately connected to the land in which they’re from.
– Nick Terrones, author and educator

Exchange authors and educators Nick Terrones and Mike Browne are the creators of Napcast; a podcast designed to offer fresh perspectives, spark debate, and remind you that you’re not alone. This unique podcast challenges your current orientation with words, thoughts, advice, and offers the perspective of two male early childhood educators of color.


The latest podcast episode, Pro-Black, Pro-Indigenous Curriculum and School covers the little-known history and intersections of various indigenous identities and the need for solidarity within African Diasporic and Indigenous cultures in the Americas.

The podcast moves into a radical imagining of early education that acknowledges the shared and diverging heritages of Indigenous and Black folks while honoring the lived experiences of people today.

Mike and Nick create the room to ask “is that ok?” when helping each other understand the contexts they both come from and the communities they represent. Instead of trying to get it right, they prioritize grace and the process of walking towards understanding.

Being able to openly discuss the relational aspect of culture and find shared language to discuss challenging, and often obscured aspects of indigeneity across land-based contexts is in itself a radical pursuit.

A key question from the podcast to consider: What would it look like to create a pro-black, pro-indigenous child care center? What does it feel, and sound like to care for and support children’s learning in an environment that reflects a de-colonized, compassionate, and nature-rooted care space?

Listen to the podcast episode to wonder, imagine and learn with the Napcast hosts and consider supporting their quest to take their vision of a Pro-Black, Pro-Indigenous child care center to SXSW.